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		<title>Comment on Time, Born Again by Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 02:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps there should be a new law of supersymmetry for the internet that supersymmetry is dead.  Of Course you would know that if you picked up a physics book.  We wouldn&#039;t have any problems if we would give even the slightest effort to...snark snark snark,


something like that, Eric?  It doesn&#039;t work for it to be snarkladen, it has to be factually inaccurate while being convinced of superiority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there should be a new law of supersymmetry for the internet that supersymmetry is dead.  Of Course you would know that if you picked up a physics book.  We wouldn&#8217;t have any problems if we would give even the slightest effort to&#8230;snark snark snark,</p>
<p>something like that, Eric?  It doesn&#8217;t work for it to be snarkladen, it has to be factually inaccurate while being convinced of superiority.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time, Born Again by test</title>
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		<dc:creator>test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 02:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just a test]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just a test</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time, Born Again by Eric Habegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Habegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 00:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps there should be a new law of supersymmetry for the internet also.  For every non-snarky comment we must include a snarkladen one to create neutrality and to make us all feel terrible after reading internet comments. It only makes sense! (but only to some among us, predominantly those persevering in the backwater of supersymmetry, who already feel terrible. )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there should be a new law of supersymmetry for the internet also.  For every non-snarky comment we must include a snarkladen one to create neutrality and to make us all feel terrible after reading internet comments. It only makes sense! (but only to some among us, predominantly those persevering in the backwater of supersymmetry, who already feel terrible. )</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time, Born Again by Logical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 23:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Dark energy is no mystery at all, if we are simply willing to accept a cosmological constant that is 120 orders of magnitude smaller than its natural value.&quot;

should be

&quot;Dark energy is no mystery at all, if we are simply willing to accept listening time and time again to clueless folk arguing that the cosmological constant is 120 orders of magnitude smaller than its natural value.&quot;

http://arxiv.org/abs/1002.3966]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dark energy is no mystery at all, if we are simply willing to accept a cosmological constant that is 120 orders of magnitude smaller than its natural value.&#8221;</p>
<p>should be</p>
<p>&#8220;Dark energy is no mystery at all, if we are simply willing to accept listening time and time again to clueless folk arguing that the cosmological constant is 120 orders of magnitude smaller than its natural value.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1002.3966" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/1002.3966</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Time, Born Again by Eric Habegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Habegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It occurred to me after I commented that my enthusiasm for Tony&#039;s question could be interpreted as snark, if one didn&#039;t know me. &quot; (That&#039;s the trouble with the internet.)
It wasn&#039;t. My enthusiasm is genuine and was snark free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurred to me after I commented that my enthusiasm for Tony&#8217;s question could be interpreted as snark, if one didn&#8217;t know me. &#8221; (That&#8217;s the trouble with the internet.)<br />
It wasn&#8217;t. My enthusiasm is genuine and was snark free.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time, Born Again by Eric Habegger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Habegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 22:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Tony RZ
&quot;I’m not a physicist, but I have a question. Could time be intimately intertwined with space so that as space expands so does time and as space contracts so also would time?&quot;

Wow, what a great question! If you aren&#039;t a physicist you should have been. All you professionals out there, start thinking about this if you haven&#039;t already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tony RZ<br />
&#8220;I’m not a physicist, but I have a question. Could time be intimately intertwined with space so that as space expands so does time and as space contracts so also would time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, what a great question! If you aren&#8217;t a physicist you should have been. All you professionals out there, start thinking about this if you haven&#8217;t already.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time, Born Again by MKS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MKS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 22:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...but it’s reality that ultimately judges them.&quot;

isn&#039;t all of our knowledge predicated, ultimately, on fundamental axioms that &#039;are true because they are true&#039;, and then we work out/build up from there?  eg. Euclid&#039;s axioms

if so, then perhaps Physicists are/will be running up against these fundamental axioms when figuring out aspects of universe?  like fine tuning, where does universe come from, etc?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but it’s reality that ultimately judges them.&#8221;</p>
<p>isn&#8217;t all of our knowledge predicated, ultimately, on fundamental axioms that &#8216;are true because they are true&#8217;, and then we work out/build up from there?  eg. Euclid&#8217;s axioms</p>
<p>if so, then perhaps Physicists are/will be running up against these fundamental axioms when figuring out aspects of universe?  like fine tuning, where does universe come from, etc?</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Templeton by Ant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 19:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[* … in exactly the same way that the crudest ideas of dualism &lt;i&gt;isn’t&lt;/i&gt;. 

[ I was too eager to get an &lt;i&gt;H2G2&lt;/i&gt; reference in there to spot the subject-verb disagreement! ;-) ]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* … in exactly the same way that the crudest ideas of dualism <i>isn’t</i>. </p>
<p>[ I was too eager to get an <i>H2G2</i> reference in there to spot the subject-verb disagreement! <img src='http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ]</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Templeton by Ant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 19:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Bret 

Apologies for a tardy response; I’ve been travelling on business. 

But why &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; there be a need to incorporate the findings of Greek philosophy in the formulation of the triune nature of God? &lt;i&gt;How&lt;/i&gt; did the Bishops who attended that council make a “discovery”? Why should &lt;i&gt;Plato&lt;/i&gt;, from a Hellenic tradition whose theology I presume you would not hesitate to dismiss as myth, have anything meaningful to say about the Abrahamic God? Absent any empirical evidence, they certainly &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; “make it up.”

I don’t think we have to agree to disagree about &lt;i&gt;mathematics&lt;/i&gt;’ being immaterial; it’s a &lt;i&gt;mental&lt;/i&gt; construct. My initial remark was only that numbers and arithmetic, as reifications of &lt;i&gt;counting&lt;/i&gt;, are empirical.

Epicurus refutes Anslem, I think.

Regarding NDEs, the whole thing hinges on the claim that the patient saw certain things that they &lt;i&gt;couldn’t possibly have seen&lt;/i&gt; – or known about in some other way. &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; hasn’t been established. I don’t mean to suggest that further study isn’t warranted, but a naturalistic explanation seems (according to the studies that have been done) far more likely than a supernatural one. 

Materialism isn’t an assumption, but a working hypothesis that has not been falsified in hundreds of years. If reality includes the purely mental (i.e., if minds can exist independent of material bodies: mind-brain dualism), then why should the evidence for it not be as easily accessible and as clear as all the evidence we have for our materialist theories? The world of fermions (matter) and bosons (forces) that quantum field theory describes would seem like the wildest fantasy to a medieval theologian or Hellenic philosopher, yet it is intricately supported by experimental evidence, in exactly the same way that the crudest ideas of dualism &lt;i&gt;aren’t&lt;/i&gt;. 

What’s more, &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; dualism is true, how does the mental interact with the material? We’re back to the conclusions from Sean’s Skepticon 5 presentation: If our minds are discrete and distinct from our brains, they cannot interact with our brains via anything but one of the known forces, which is empirically not observed.

This conclusion is strong wrt God, too. You state that an omnipotent God could use a force unknown to science to communicate with us? Well, I suppose He could use whatever He wants, &lt;b&gt;but&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; are very much material and anything that interacts with &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt; can do so only via the known forces. So God could be “shouting” at us, but we’re completely “deaf” to that. The only other option for an omnipotent God is that He somehow &lt;i&gt;hides&lt;/i&gt; this “sixth” force (I’m not counting things strictly; it’s more analogous to the idiomatic “sixth sense”) from the LHC results, that He somehow &lt;i&gt;prevents&lt;/i&gt; this force that can interact with our protons from being seen when we smash those protons together at near-the-beginning-of-the-universe energies. 

But I don’t think that such a &lt;i&gt;deceitful&lt;/i&gt; God is anything like Anselm’s greatest of all beings with His inherent moral goodness.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bret </p>
<p>Apologies for a tardy response; I’ve been travelling on business. </p>
<p>But why <i>should</i> there be a need to incorporate the findings of Greek philosophy in the formulation of the triune nature of God? <i>How</i> did the Bishops who attended that council make a “discovery”? Why should <i>Plato</i>, from a Hellenic tradition whose theology I presume you would not hesitate to dismiss as myth, have anything meaningful to say about the Abrahamic God? Absent any empirical evidence, they certainly <i>did</i> “make it up.”</p>
<p>I don’t think we have to agree to disagree about <i>mathematics</i>’ being immaterial; it’s a <i>mental</i> construct. My initial remark was only that numbers and arithmetic, as reifications of <i>counting</i>, are empirical.</p>
<p>Epicurus refutes Anslem, I think.</p>
<p>Regarding NDEs, the whole thing hinges on the claim that the patient saw certain things that they <i>couldn’t possibly have seen</i> – or known about in some other way. <i>That</i> hasn’t been established. I don’t mean to suggest that further study isn’t warranted, but a naturalistic explanation seems (according to the studies that have been done) far more likely than a supernatural one. </p>
<p>Materialism isn’t an assumption, but a working hypothesis that has not been falsified in hundreds of years. If reality includes the purely mental (i.e., if minds can exist independent of material bodies: mind-brain dualism), then why should the evidence for it not be as easily accessible and as clear as all the evidence we have for our materialist theories? The world of fermions (matter) and bosons (forces) that quantum field theory describes would seem like the wildest fantasy to a medieval theologian or Hellenic philosopher, yet it is intricately supported by experimental evidence, in exactly the same way that the crudest ideas of dualism <i>aren’t</i>. </p>
<p>What’s more, <i>if</i> dualism is true, how does the mental interact with the material? We’re back to the conclusions from Sean’s Skepticon 5 presentation: If our minds are discrete and distinct from our brains, they cannot interact with our brains via anything but one of the known forces, which is empirically not observed.</p>
<p>This conclusion is strong wrt God, too. You state that an omnipotent God could use a force unknown to science to communicate with us? Well, I suppose He could use whatever He wants, <b>but</b> <i>we</i> are very much material and anything that interacts with <i>us</i> can do so only via the known forces. So God could be “shouting” at us, but we’re completely “deaf” to that. The only other option for an omnipotent God is that He somehow <i>hides</i> this “sixth” force (I’m not counting things strictly; it’s more analogous to the idiomatic “sixth sense”) from the LHC results, that He somehow <i>prevents</i> this force that can interact with our protons from being seen when we smash those protons together at near-the-beginning-of-the-universe energies. </p>
<p>But I don’t think that such a <i>deceitful</i> God is anything like Anselm’s greatest of all beings with His inherent moral goodness.</p>
<p>/@</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time, Born Again by Platohagel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Platohagel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 16:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought your posting on this book was due Sean because of your past experience and work with regard to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/is-Time-Real-Sean-Carroll-/1743&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Time&lt;/a&gt; and the work entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://fqxi.org/setting-time-aright.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;setting time aright&lt;/a&gt;. So to me this posting is necessary of yours in the full scope of things.

Best,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought your posting on this book was due Sean because of your past experience and work with regard to <a href="http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/is-Time-Real-Sean-Carroll-/1743" rel="nofollow">Time</a> and the work entitled <a href="http://fqxi.org/setting-time-aright.html" rel="nofollow">setting time aright</a>. So to me this posting is necessary of yours in the full scope of things.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
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