Guest Blogger: Joe Polchinski on the String Debates

You may have read here and there about the genteel discussions concerning the status of string theory within contemporary theoretical physics. We’ve discussed it on CV here, here, and even way back here, and Clifford has hosted a multipart discussion at Asymptotia (I, II, III, IV, V, VI).

We are now very happy to host a guest post by the man who wrote the book, as it were, on string theory — Joe Polchinski of the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics at UC Santa Barbara. Joe was asked by American Scientist to review Peter Woit’s Not Even Wrong and Lee Smolin’s The Trouble With Physics. Here is a slightly-modified version of the review, enhanced by footnotes that expand on some more technical points.

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This is a review/response, written some time ago, that has just appeared in American Scientist. A few notes: 1) I did not choose the title, but at least insisted on the question mark so as to invoke Hinchliffe’s rule (if the title is a question, the answer is `no’). 2) Am. Sci. edited my review for style, I have reverted figures of speech that I did not care for. 3) I have added footnotes on some key points. I look forward to comments, unfortunately I will be incommunicado on Dec. 8 and 9.

All Strung Out?

Joe Polchinski

The Trouble with Physics: The Rise of String Theory, the Fall of a Science, and What Comes Next. Lee Smolin. xxiv + 392 pp. Houghton Mifflin, 2006. $26.

Not Even Wrong: The Failure of String Theory and the Search for Unity in Physical Law. xxi + 291 pp. Basic Books, 2006. $26.95.

The 1970’s were an exhilarating time in particle physics. After decades of effort, theoretical physicists had come to understand the weak and strong nuclear forces and had combined them with the electromagnetic force in the so-called Standard Model. Fresh from this success, they turned to the problem of finding a unified theory, a single principle that would account for all three of these forces and the properties of the various subatomic particles. Some investigators even sought to unify gravity with the other three forces and to resolve the problems that arise when gravity is combined with quantum theory.

The Standard Model is a quantum field theory, in which particles behave as mathematical points, but a small group of theorists explored the possibility that under enough magnification, particles would prove to be oscillating loops or strands of “string.” Although this seemingly odd idea attracted little attention at first, by 1984 it had become apparent that this approach was able to solve some key problems that otherwise seemed insurmountable. Rather suddenly, the attention of many of those working on unification shifted to string theory, and there it has stayed since.

Today, after more than 20 years of concentrated effort, what has been accomplished? What has string theory predicted? Lee Smolin, in The Trouble With Physics, and Peter Woit, in Not Even Wrong, argue that string theory has largely failed. What is worse, they contend, too many theorists continue to focus their efforts on this idea, monopolizing valuable scientific resources that should be shifted in more promising directions.

Smolin presents the rise and fall of string theory as a morality play. He accurately captures the excitement that theorists felt at the discovery of this unexpected and powerful new idea. But this story, however grippingly told, is more a work of drama than of history. Even the turning point, the first crack in the facade, is based on a myth: Smolin claims that string theorists had predicted that the energy of the vacuum — something often called dark energy — could not be positive and that the surprising 1998 discovery of the accelerating expansion of the universe (which implies the existence of positive dark energy) caused a hasty retreat. There was, in fact, no such prediction [1]. Although his book is for the most part thoroughly referenced, Smolin cites no source on this point. He quotes Edward Witten, but Witten made his comments in a very different context — and three years after the discovery of accelerating expansion. Indeed, the quotation is doubly taken out of context, because at the same meeting at which Witten spoke, his former student Eva Silverstein gave a solution to the problem about which he was so pessimistic. (Contrary to another myth, young string theorists are not so intimidated by their elders.)

As Smolin charts the fall of string theory, he presents further misconceptions. For example, he asserts that a certain key idea of string theory — something called Maldacena duality, the conjectured equivalence between a string theory defined on one space and a quantum field theory defined on the boundary of that space — makes no precise mathematical statements. It certainly does. These statements have been verified by a variety of methods, including computer simulations [2]. He also asserts that the evidence supports only a weak form of this conjecture, without quantum mechanics. In fact, Juan Maldacena’s theory is fully quantum mechanical [3].

A crucial principle, according to Smolin, is background independence — roughly speaking, consistency with Einstein’s insight that the shape of spacetime is dynamical — and Smolin repeatedly criticizes string theory for not having this property. Here he is mistaking an aspect of the mathematical language being used for one of the physics being described. New physical theories are often discovered using a mathematical language that is not the most suitable for them. This mismatch is not surprising, because one is trying to describe something that is different from anything in previous experience. For example, Einstein originally formulated special relativity in language that now seems clumsy, and it was mathematician Hermann Minkowski’s introduction of four-vectors and spacetime that made further progress possible.

In string theory it has always been clear that the physics is background-independent even if the language being used is not, and the search for a more suitable language continues. Indeed (as Smolin belatedly notes), Maldacena duality provides a solution to this problem, one that is unexpected and powerful. The solution is still not complete: One must pin down spacetime on the edges, but in the middle it is free to twist and even tear as it will, and black holes can form and then decay. This need to constrain the edges is connected with a property known as the holographic principle, which appears to be an essential feature of quantum gravity. Extending this principle to spaces with the edges free will require a major new insight. It is possible that the solution to this problem already exists among the alternative approaches that Smolin favors. But his principal candidate (loop quantum gravity) is, as yet, much more background-dependent than the current form of string theory [4].

Much of Smolin’s criticism of string theory deals with its lack of mathematical rigor. But physics is not mathematics. Physicists work by calculation, physical reasoning, modeling and cross-checking more than by proof, and what they can understand is generally much greater than what can be rigorously demonstrated. For example, quantum field theory, which underlies the Standard Model and much else in physics, is notoriously difficult to put on a rigorous foundation. Indeed, much of the interest that mathematicians have in physics, and in string theory in particular, arises not from its rigor but from the opposite: Physicists by their methods can obtain new results whose mathematical underpinning is not obvious. String theorists have a strong sense that they are discovering something, not inventing it. The process is sometimes messy, with unexpected twists and turns (not least the strings themselves!), and rigor is not the main tool.

Woit covers some of the same ground, although his interests are more centered on particle physics and on the connection with mathematics than on the nature of spacetime. His telling is more direct, but it is rather stuffed with detail and jargon, and his criticisms of string theory are simpler and somewhat repetitious.

A major point for Woit is that no one knows exactly what string theory is, because it is specified only through an infinite mathematical series whose sum is ill-defined. This assertion is partly true: With new physical theories there is often a long period between the first insight and the final mathematical form. For quantum field theory, the state of affairs that Woit describes lasted for half a century [5]. In string theory the situation is much better than he suggests, because for 10 years we have had tools (dualities) that give us in many cases a precise definition of the theory. These have led in turn to many new applications of string theory, such as to the quantum mechanics of black holes, and there are hints to a more complete understanding.

But what about the lack of predictions? This is the key question, for Woit, for Smolin and for string theory. Why have the last 20 years been a time of unusually little contact between theory and experiment? The problem is partly on the experimental side: The Standard Model works too well. It takes great time, ingenuity and resources to try to look beyond it, and often what is found is still the Standard Model.

A second challenge was set forth by Max Planck more than a century ago. When one combines the fundamental constants of special relativity, general relativity and quantum mechanics, one finds that they determine a distance scale at which these theories appear to come together: the Planck length of 10-33 centimeters. To put this number in perspective, one would have to magnify an atom a billion times to make it the size of a coffee cup, and one would have to magnify the Planck length a trillion trillion times to make it the size of an atom. If we could probe the Planck length directly, we would be able to see the strings and extra dimensions, or whatever else is lurking there, and be done with it. But we cannot do that, and so instead we must look for indirect evidence. And, as was the case with atomic theory, one cannot predict how long such a leap will take.

Smolin addresses the problem of the Planck length (“It is a lie,” he says). Indeed, Planck’s calculation applies to a worst-case scenario. String theorists have identified at least half a dozen ways that new physics might arise at accessible scales [6], and Smolin points to another in the theories that he favors [7], but each of these is a long shot. As far as experiment yet shows, Planck’s challenge stands.

Or it may be that string theory has already made a connection with observation — one of immense significance. Positive dark energy is the greatest experimental discovery of the past 30 years regarding the basic laws of physics. Its existence came as a surprise to almost everyone in physics and astronomy, except for a small number, including, in particular, Steven Weinberg.

In the 1980s, Weinberg had been trying to solve the long-standing puzzle of why the density of dark energy is not actually much greater. He argued that if the underlying theory had multiple vacua describing an enormous number of potential universes, it would not only explain why the density of dark energy is not high, but would also predict that it is not zero. Weinberg’s reasoning was contrary to all conventional wisdom, but remarkably his prediction was borne out by observation a decade later.

The connection between string theory and dark energy is still a subject of much controversy, and it may be that Weinberg got the right answer for the wrong reason. However, it may well turn out that he got the right answer for the right reason. If so, it will be one of the great insights in the history of physics, and the multivacuum property of string theory, seemingly one of its main challenges, will, in fact, be just what nature requires.

A second unexpected connection comes from studies carried out using the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, a particle accelerator at Brookhaven National Laboratory. This machine smashes together nuclei at high energy to produce a hot, strongly interacting plasma. Physicists have found that some of the properties of this plasma are better modeled (via duality) as a tiny black hole in a space with extra dimensions than as the expected clump of elementary particles in the usual four dimensions of spacetime. The prediction here is again not a sharp one, as the string model works much better than expected. String-theory skeptics could take the point of view that it is just a mathematical spinoff. However, one of the repeated lessons of physics is unity — nature uses a small number of principles in diverse ways. And so the quantum gravity that is manifesting itself in dual form at Brookhaven is likely to be the same one that operates everywhere else in the universe.

A further development over the past few years, as our understanding has deepened, has been the extensive study of the experimental consequences of specific kinds of string theory. Many of these make distinctive predictions for particle physics and cosmology. Most or all of these may well be falsified by experiment (which is, after all, the fate of most new models). The conclusive test of string theory may still be far off, but in the meantime, science proceeds through many small steps.

A central question for both Smolin and Woit is why so many very good scientists continue to work on an idea that has allegedly failed so badly. Both books offer explanations in terms of the sociology of science and the psychology of scientists. These forces do exist, and it is worth reflecting on their possible negative effects, but such influences are not as strong as these authors posit. String theorists include mavericks and contrarians, strong-willed individuals who have made major contributions — not just in string theory but in other parts of physics as well. The borders between string theory and other areas of physics are not closed, and theorists would emigrate if they did not believe that this was the most promising direction in which to invest their time and energies.

In fact, the flow of intellectual talent has been in the other direction: In recent years, leading scientists in particle phenomenology, inflationary cosmology and other fields have found ideas generated by string theory to be useful in their disciplines, just as mathematicians have long done. Many have begun to work with string theorists and have in turn contributed their perspectives to the subject and expanded the view of how string theory relates to nature.

This convergence on an unproven idea is remarkable. Again, it is worth taking a step back and reflecting on whether the net result is the best way to move science forward, and in particular whether young scientists are sufficiently encouraged to think about the big questions of science in new ways. These are important issues — and not simple ones. However, much of what Smolin and Woit attribute to sociology is really a difference of scientific judgment.

In the end, these books fail to capture much of the spirit and logic of string theory. For that, Brian Greene’s The Elegant Universe (first published in 1999) or Leonard Susskind’s The Cosmic Landscape (2005) do a better job. The interested reader might also look to particle-phenomenologist Lisa Randall’s Warped Passages (2005) and cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin’s Many Worlds in One (2006) for accounts by two scientists from other fields who have seen a growing convergence between string theory and their ideas about how the cosmos is put together.

Joseph Polchinski is a professor of physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and a permanent member of the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics. He is the author of the two-volume text String Theory (Cambridge University Press, 1998).

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[1] It is obvious that there could have been no such prediction. From 1995-98, string theorists were discovering a host of new nonperturbative tools: dualities, branes, black hole entropy counting, matrix theory, and AdS/CFT duality. These were at the time studied almost exclusively in the context of supersymmetry. The problem of moduli stabilization, necessary for any nonsupersymmetric compactification (and positive energy density states are necessarily nonsupersymmetric) was left for the future; there were no general results or predictions. Page 154 refers to no-go theorems. There was a prominent no-go theorem two years later due to Maldacena and Nunez. However, not only the timing but also the physics is misstated. This paper makes several restrictive assumptions, and gives a long list of well-known papers, some as early as 1986, to which its results simply don’t apply. So this was never a broad constraint on string theory.

[2] On the string theory side, all calculations of anomalous dimensions and correlators represent precise statements about the strong coupling behavior of the gauge theory. However, it is argued on page 282 that the gauge theory is not known to exist. For the purpose of this discussion it is sharpest to focus on the gauge theories in 1+1 and 2+1 dimensions, which were shown by Itzhaki, Maldacena, Sonnenschein, and Yankielowicz to also give background-independent constructions of quantum gravity. These theories are superrenormalizable – their couplings go to zero as powers at short distance — so they are even better-defined than QCD, and one can calculate to arbitrary accuracy on the lattice. Even the supersymmetry is no problem: the lattice breaks it, but because of the superrenormalizability one can calculate explicitly the counterterms needed to restore the symmetry in the continuum limit, and so all the predictions of AdS/CFT can be checked algorithmically.

This has already been done, not by Monte Carlo but by using discrete light-cone quantization, which has the nice property of preserving SUSY and also not paying an extra numerical penalty for large N. The present results of Hiller, Pinsky, Salwen, and Trittman are notable. The error bars are still large (but again, the issue is whether there are predictions in principle, not what can be done with today’s technology) but it does appear that the gauge theory Hilbert space, truncated to 3 x 1012 states, is in fact describing a graviton moving in a curved spacetime. Possibly less algorithmic, but numerically impressive, is the four-loop calculation of Bern, Czakon, Dixon, Kosower, and Smirnov: the Pade extrapolation to strong coupling agrees with the prediction of AdS/CFT to one or two percent.

[3] The gauge theory is a consistent and fully quantum mechanical theory, so if it contains classical gravity then it is by definition a solution to the problem of unifying Einstein’s theory with quantum mechanics. Moreover, the gravitational field must itself be quantized, because the duality relates gauge theory states to correctly quantized graviton states.

It is very difficult to define a `weak form’ of the duality which accounts for all the successful tests and is not actually the strong form. I am taking the definition here from page 144, which refers to classical supergravity as the lowest approximation, and talks about the duality being true only at this lowest order.

However, to get more background I have looked at the relevant papers by Arnsdorf and Smolin and by Smolin. The central arguments of these papers are wrong. One argument is that AdS/CFT duality cannot describe the bending of light by a gravitational field because there is a dual description with a fixed causal structure. If true, of course, this would invalidate the duality, but it is not. The gauge theory has a fixed causal structure, but signals do not move on null geodesics: there is refraction, so signals slow down and bend, and it is this that is dual to the bending of light by a gravitational field. Indeed, this duality between ordinary refraction and gravitational lensing is one of the fascinating maps between gravitation and nongravitational physics that are implied by the duality.

The second argument is that the tests of AdS/CFT duality are consistent with a weaker notion of `conformal induction,’ whereby a boundary theory can be defined from any field theory in AdS space by taking the limit as the correlators approach the boundary. This misses an important point. In general this procedure does not actually define a self-contained field theory on the boundary. Consider a signal in the bulk, which at time t is moving toward the boundary so as to reach it at a later time t’. According to the definition of conformal induction, the existence of this signal is not encoded in the boundary theory at time t, so that theory has no time evolution operator: the state at time t does not determine the state at time t’. In AdS/CFT the boundary is a true QFT, with a time evolution operator, and the signal is encoded even at time t. As a rough model of how this can work, imagine that every one-particle state in the bulk maps to a two-particle state in the boundary, where the separation of the particles plays the role of the radial coordinate: as they come close together the bulk particle move to the boundary, as they separate it moves away. Something like this happens even in real QCD, in the contexts of color transparency and BFKL diffusion.

[4] I am referring here to the problem of the constraints. Until these are solved, one does not really have background independence: there is an enormous Hilbert space, most of which is unphysical. In AdS/CFT, not only the bulk spacetime but also the bulk diffeomorphism group are emergent: the CFT fields are completely invariant under the bulk diffeomorphisms (this is also what happens in the much more common phenomenon of emergent gauge symmetry). In effect the constraints are already solved. One of the lessons of duality is that only the physical information is common to the different descriptions, while the extra gauge structure is not, it is an artifact of language not physics. (The CFT has its own SU(N) gauge invariance, but here it is straightforward to write down invariant objects.)

[5] I am counting from the mid-20’s, when the commutation relations for the electromagnetic field were first written down, to the mid-70’s when lattice gauge theory gave the first reasonably complete definition of a QFT, and when nonperturbative effects began to be understood systematically.

[6] The ones that came to mind were modifications of the gravitational force law on laboratory scales, strings, black holes, and extra dimensions at particle accelerators, cosmic superstrings, and trans-Planckian corrections to the CMB. One might also count more specific cosmic scenarios like DBI inflation, pre-Big-Bang cosmology, the ekpyrotic universe, and brane gas cosmologies.

[7] I have a question about violation of Lorentz invariance, perhaps this is the place to ask it. In the case of the four-Fermi theory of the weak interaction, one could have solved the UV problem in many ways by violating Lorentz invariance, but preservation of Lorentz invariance led almost uniquely to spontaneously broken Yang-Mills theory. Why weren’t Lorentz-breaking cutoffs tried? Because they would have spoiled the success of Lorentz invariance at low energies, through virtual effects. Now, the Standard Model has of order 25 renormalizable parameters, but it would have roughly as many more if Lorentz invariance were not imposed; most of the new LV parameters are known to be zero to high accuracy. So, if your UV theory of gravity violates Lorentz invariance, this should feed down into these low energy LV parameters through virtual effects. Does there exist a framework to calculate this effect? Has it been done?

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114 thoughts on “Guest Blogger: Joe Polchinski on the String Debates”

  1. Alas, while I do have a degree in physics I don’t know anywhere near enough about string theory to comment on the physics. The math sails far above my head — and is likely to do so for well over 99.999% of the world’s population.

    That said, it does seem that Dr. Polchinski follows the tried and true path of the typical string theorist in defending their turf against Smolin et al. To wit: zero in on some minutia involving the nitty gritty of who said what, or which theorist allegedly predicted what, or which term is or is not defined correctly by Smolin et al. All well and good.

    But that stuff remains irrelevant to Smolin’s and Woit’s basic point. Namely — if you never provide a specific falsifiable experimentally testable hypothesis, you’re not doing science. Every single string theorist who reviews Smolin’s and Woit’s books seems to ignore this issue. To put it bluntly, Smolin’s and Woit’s essential criticism remains valid even if they don’t know a proton from a neutron or the difference between kinetic and potential energy. Still doesn’t change the basic fact that string theorists have failed to produce testable numbers from their theory. To put it bluntly, it’s a game of “shoot the messenger” and that can’t erase the message that without experimentally testable numbers, you’re not doing science.

    Another even larger issue looms. Specifically, how long?

    How long do we wait before we conclude that string theory is “a degenerating research program” as Hubert Dreyfus famously said of good old fashioned top-down AI? The fact that ferocious debate still rages about Dreyfus’ characterization of AI after 50 years of work in the field suggests we may have a long ways to go before the debate over string theory gets settled.

    There must be _some_ point at which lack of experimentally testable number dooms string theory. Are we there yet? Probably not…but it’s hard to be sure. 30 years is a long time. On the other hand, string theory remains so much more mathematically complex than previous theoretical physics models that there’s a good argument to be made that we need more time to work it out. The analogy here is QCD and the infinities that finally got purged courtesy of renormalization. Is there a renormalization-like trick that will let us squeeze testable numbers from M theory and collapse the landscape? I don’t know. No one does at this point.

    I can’t think of any previous model from theoretical physics in which the chief practitioner (Ed Witten in this case) was awarded a Fields Medal just for the mathematics involved. So the math is clearly extremely formidable.

    Withal, some point of no return exists. If we get 50 years out, 75 years out, 100 years out, at some point a failure to produce experimentally testable numbers will become fatal to string theory. The analogy there is with unfortunate historical cul de sacs like phlogiston or alchemy.

    The real hope at this point is that at somewhat higher energies (of the kind we might get in the LHC), albeit not nearly high enough for unification of all 4 basic forces, some minor side effects might show up that would point indirectly to testable predictions from string theory. The analogy here is the Casimir Effect in quantum chromodynamics (though that didn’t require an accelerator to observe).

    If the LHC fails to produce tangential confirmation, cosmological data from satellites might conceivably fill the gap.

    If, however, after another 20 years or so we get no indirect confirmation from LHC or cosmological data from satellites, and still no hard numbers from string theorists that can be directly tested, my sense is that this debate is going to start to shift conclusively in Woit’s and Smolin’s direction. Until then, haggling and squabbling and quibbling about Woit’s and Smolin’s putative lack of familiarity with this or that microscopic detail of some obscure aspect of string theory math or terminology seems pointless, since that’s irrelevant to the basic issue they raise.

  2. How long are will there still be experimental physics? The whole point of experiements is testing theories and as long as experimentalists are not doing that it’s just senseless encyclopedic, unmotivated measuring (like counting the hairs on the heads of as many people as possible) and not science. We have told experimentalists over and over again to study Planck energy collisions and they keep ignoring this good advice.

    What they measure with all their semiconductors and quantum hall effects and what not might have applications in other areas and might help to build faster computers in the end but is not fundamental science.

    Still they fail to deliver a single expriment that studies matter at the Planck scale. How much longer is this supposed to go on?

  3. Of course string theory is science. Its hypothesis is that all elementary particles are actually loops of string. Just because this hypothesis will be proven by scientific experiments to be true or false in 50-100 years doesn’t mean it’s not science.

  4. The books discuss the ‘landscapes’ presented by string theory. Specifically, string theory offers a ridiculous number like 10^500 ways of inserting the little strings into the curled dimensions. These multifarious possibilities correspond then to as many different predictions of particle masses and thereby render the theory devoid of predictive power, a theory of anything amounting to a theory of nothing. Or so I read. But I have not seen this objection to string theory countered or discussed in these comments.

    What would Eddington have thought of string theory?

  5. What is the definition of Science?

    The definative hallmark of Science is the Testing of Theories.

    Unfortunately, Mr Woit does not understand Popper’s Theories.

    Popper was primarily attacking communism’s claim of being a science. The problem with the communists was that THEY WERE NOT EVEN TRYING find criteria for which communism would be falsified.

    Popper would have understood that QFT was the established theory and would have said that QFT was the THEORY IN NEED OF FALSIFICATION. Also, Popper understood that too rigid a proscription would destroy creativity in real science.

    Mr Woit is correct that the hype around String Theory is embarrassing.

    However, Mr Woit claim that String Theory is not Science is also embarrassing.

    Is Mathematics not a science?

    Is not Phenomenology not a science?

    The correct evaluation of String theory is to LOOK AT THE COMPETITORS!
    String Theory has its problems but the competition is in a worst state!

    Zelah

  6. Zelah, maths is an art or a tool, not a science:

    ‘Science n. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.’ – http://www.answers.com/topic/science

    ‘Science is the belief in the ignorance of [the speculative consensus of] experts.’ – R. P. Feynman, The Pleasure of Finding Things Out, 1999, p187.

  7. Hi all, I’m sorry it’s so hard for me to keep up….

    Christine #51: If the constants of nature are environmental (and Weinberg of course is not the first to suggest this, just the first to make such a quantitative argument), then it is very difficult to be certain one way or the other. In the long run I am optimistic that somehow we will figure things out. There have been various challenges to the landscape, e.g. hep-th/0309170 as well as the issues I mentioned in post #43. Sean is right that for now we should keep our minds open. For myself, the most useful direction for now is to search for the full nonperturbative form of string theory and see what it tells up.

    Sabine #61: Thanks for the info. Again, given the importance of Lorentz invariance e.g. in identifying the correct theory of the weak interaction, I would argue that any candidate theory which does not have manifest Lorentz- or deformed-Lorentz invariance has a large burden of proof in showing that it can reproduce Lorentz-invariant physics where it is known to hold to high precision.

  8. Dear Joe Polchinski,

    Thanks for a honest comment. I also look forward to see new developments towards a nonperturbative string theory as much as to other approaches to quantum gravity. These are all fascinating developments to me. I hope I will be able to see a good level of resolution/understanding about these problems in my lifetime.

    Best wishes,
    Christine

  9. mcLarenif you never provide a specific falsifiable experimentally testable hypothesis, you’re not doing science.Every single string theorist who reviews Smolin’s and Woit’s books seems to ignore this issue.

    I do not know how “any scientist” even those which include string theorist could have ever failed to understand what it takes?

    IN order for Smolin to debate another competitor he needed to understand what that competitor is doing. So he may even take a “philosophical view” of why one position is better then another. He may devise a philosophical basis of why “symmetry,” versus, “against symmetry” may lead to his conclusions.

    Let’s call it, “Two Traditions in the search for Fundamental Physics.”

    For some reason people do not think that if they adopt one view according their philosophical thinking, that there is no other, or vice versa?

    So all things grow from this? Media, fictional stories on the Simpson’s, or the String King versions 🙂

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  11. As long as string theory produces interesting results, from an intellectual standpoint, and further drives development in other areas of thought (such as mathematics) — then why worry about whether or not it is ‘science’? It isn’t as if ‘string theory’ has proved impossible to think, so why not keep on thinking about it? At worst, we are at least mapping out the physics of some possible world, which if nothing else is a very interesting thought experiment.

  12. To me, the most significant objection by Dr. Joe Polchinski against Smolin’s book is the issue of a positive cosmological constant. Lee Smolin seemed to say string theory accomodates a zero or negative constant but not a positive one. Was he wrong about that? Has someone since shown a string theory consistent with a positive cosmological constant?

    Also the website for the Gravity Probe B satellite (lecture notes by Everett) mentioned that some predictions of string theories might be confirmed. But I thought a problem with string theory is that it makes no predictions.

  13. I would be completely out of my depth making any nontrivial comment about this string theory controlversy but I think the issue of “it makes no predictions” is simply a misunderstanding of the context where statements like that are made. The physical scale and energy levels involved are so extreme compared to the physics that has been previously explored that experimentalists face an issue of feasibility. They might be able to design an experiment that tests a prediction of string theory but the resources required are beyond any budget they could ever obtain. In fact with current technology and wealth such experiments are simply beyond our reach.

    We live with an implicit assumption of exponential growth so what is beyond our grasp today may not remain that way in the future. Also we can hope that more subtle ideas might make useful experiments less “costly” than a brute force attempt. The items mentioned in footnote [6] are some possible candidates (some involve the possibility that nature is “kind” and less brute force than the worst case scenerio is sufficient).

  14. Hi Joe,

    I would argue that any candidate theory which does not have manifest Lorentz- or deformed-Lorentz invariance has a large burden of proof in showing that it can reproduce Lorentz-invariant physics where it is known to hold to high precision.

    Yes. I do absolutely agree. That requires a theoretical framework which is actually capable of reproducing the standard model qft limit. The absence of which in the DSR approach is currently a huge frustration for me, but I’m optimistic it can – and will be – done in the soon future.

    Best,

    B.

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  18. Thanks to all for an interesting set of comments. What I’m surprised to see, though, is so little comment about the fact that Dr. Polchinski’s remarks are clearly self-serving (after all, he has heavily invested himself in String Theory) and actually quite biased. In his own words: But what about the lack of predictions? While Dr. Polchinski asks the question, he fails to answer it, waving his hands with such ferocity that I believe he may have achieved the first human-powered flight (perhaps String Theory predicted that?). Dr. P seems to be quite pleased with a field that has yielded no predictive power or verifiable insight into the universe; without this, String Theory is a lot of things (an infinite revenue generator for physicists, an interesting mathematical construct, a religion), but it is certainly not science.

  19. String Skeptic on Apr 20th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
    Thanks to all for an interesting set of comments. What I’m surprised to see, though, is so little comment about the fact that Dr. Polchinski’s remarks are clearly self-serving …

    Whereas your own interests are hidden by your anonymity. Perhaps you are Lee Smolin, he has not yet made a public appearance on this thread.

  20. @ B

    I followed the link to asymptotia.com, but Smolin doesn’t really respond to Polchinski’s review there, he just makes excuses why he won’t.

  21. The same can be said of anyone who has a niche in science with regards to what they are looking at?

    They will be “biased” by their work?

    Why “loop quantum gravity” if you had already made up your mind on quantum gravity? Why any other aspect of quantum gravity, if you see only promise in “loop quantum?”

  22. Hi Lee, two questions about technical points you raise in your response. Both are tired old issues by now, but despite discussing this previously with you I still do not have a clear idea what you have in mind, so I’ll try again:

    1. you say “Supersymmetry, however, appears necessary in perturbative string theories to cancel the tachyonic instabilities”. There are many well known examples of non-supersymmetric string theories that have no tachyons at tree level. In previous conversations I gave you a few examples, can you please clarify the sense in which this statement is correct.

    2. Regarding the “weak form” of ads/cft correspondence, I never was able to understand what precisely can be a weak form of the duality which is consistent with all the evidence but in fact does not coincide with what you call the “strong form”. Can you clarify please?

    thanks,

    Moshe

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