Preaching to the Unconverted

And now for something somewhat different. After I posted my article on “Does the Universe Need God?“, there were a few responses at the Intelligent Design blog Uncommon Descent, including a list of questions by Vincent Torley. Vincent then went the extra mile by inviting me to write a guest post for UD. Not my usual stomping grounds, but I ultimately agreed, precisely for that reason.

Here’s the post, which I’m cross-posting below. This might be controversial, as a lot of people on my side of things will say that there’s little point in engaging with people on the other side. And admittedly, this is a subject where feelings can be pretty entrenched. But you never know — not everyone has their mind made up on every issue, and it’s good to try to explain yourself to unsympathetic audiences on occasion. That’s all I tried to do here — to explain how I think about these things, not necessarily to pick a fight or even persuade any skeptics. I tried pretty hard to be as clear and unpretentious as I can be. (Success is for you to decide.) In a world of shouting and diatribe, I remain optimistic that real communication can occasionally occur! We’ll see how it goes.

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I wanted to thank Vincent Torley and Denyse O’Leary for the opportunity to write a guest blog post, and apologize for how long it’s taken me to do so. I’ve written an article for the forthcoming Blackwell Companion to Science and Christianity, entitled Does the Universe Need God?, in which I argued that the answer is “no.” Vincent posed a list of questions in response. After thinking about it, I decided that my answers would be more clear if I simply wrote a coherent argument, rather than addressing the questions individually.

My goal is to try to explain my own thinking to an audience that is not predisposed to agree. We can roughly break people up into two groups: naturalists such as myself, who think that the best explanation we have for the universe involves physical quantities obeying laws of Nature and nothing else; and those who believe that a better explanation can be found by invoking a powerful being/designer/creator/God. (For the sake of simplicity I’m going to use “God” to refer to this notion, but feel free to substitute the more accurate description of your choice.) Obviously there are many nuances that are being passed over by this simple distinction, but hopefully it will suffice for this moment.

The dispute between these two camps isn’t one where people often change their minds at the drop of an argument. Minds do change, in either direction — but typically after extended periods of reflection, not suddenly in response to a single killer blog post. So persuasion is not my goal here; only explanation. I’ve succeeded if an open-minded person who disagrees with me reads the post and still disagrees, but at least understands why I hold my positions. (After giving an earlier talk, one of the theologians in the audience told me that I had persuaded him — not that God didn’t exist, but that the argument from design wasn’t the way to get to Him. That sort of real-time response is more than one can generally hope for.)

What I want to do is to elaborate on some crucial aspects of how science is done that bear directly on the issues raised by my article and some of the responses to it that I’ve seen. In particular, I want to talk about simplicity, laws, openness, explanation, and clarity. This isn’t supposed to be a comprehensive treatise on the philosophy of science, nor is it especially rigorous, or anything really new — just some thoughts on issues relevant to this conversation.

I will be taking one thing for granted: that what we’re interested in doing here is science. There are many kinds of consideration that may lead people to theism or atheism that have nothing whatsoever to do with science; likewise, one may believe that there are ways of understanding the natural world that go beyond the methods of science. I have nothing to say about that right now; that’s a higher-level discussion. I’m just going to presume that we all agree that we’re trying to be the best scientists we can possibly be, and ask what that means.

With all that throat-clearing out of the way, here’s what I have to say about these five issues.

Simplicity.

Science tries to capture the world in the simplest possible description. We are fortunate that such an endeavor is sensible, in that the world we observe exhibits various regularities. If the contents and behavior of the world were completely different from point to point and moment to moment, science would be impossible. But the regularities of the world offer a tremendous simplification of description, making science possible. We don’t need to talk separately about the charge of this electron, and the charge of that electron; all electrons have the same charge.

Simplicity can be quantified by the concept of Kolmogorov complexity — roughly, the length of the shortest possible complete description of a system. It takes longer to specify some particular list of 1,000 random numbers than it does to specify “the integers from 1 to one million,” even though the latter contains more elements. The list of integers therefore has a lower Kolmogorov complexity, and we say that it’s simpler. Scientists are trying to come up with the simplest description of nature that accounts for all the data.

Note that a theory that invokes God (or any other extra-physical categories) is, all else being equal, less simple than a theory that does not. “God + the natural world” is less simple than “the natural world.” This doesn’t mean that the idea of God is automatically wrong; only that it starts out at a disadvantage as far as simplicity is concerned. A conscientious scientist could nevertheless be led to the conclusion that God plays a role in the best possible scientific description of the world. For example, it could (in some hypothetical world) turn out to be impossible to fit the data without invoking God. As Einstein put it: “It can scarcely be denied that the supreme goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate representation of a single datum of experience.” Alternatively, you could imagine deriving all of the physical laws from the simpler assumption that God exists. While these strategies are conceivable, in practice I don’t think they work, as should become clear.

Laws.

A “law of nature” is simply a regularity we observe in the universe. All electrons have the same charge; energy and momentum are conserved in particle interactions. A law doesn’t necessarily have to be absolute or deterministic; the Born rule of quantum mechanics states that the probability of obtaining a certain observational result is the square of the amplitude of the corresponding branch of the wave function. A law is simply a pattern we observe in nature.

As far as science is concerned, it makes no difference whether we refer to these regularities as “laws” or “patterns” or anything else. It also doesn’t matter whether we think of them as “fundamental and irreducible features of the cosmos.” They simply are; science looks for them, and finds them. Vincent asks “How can rules exist in the absence of a mind?” That is simply not a question that science is concerned with. Science wants to know how we can boil the behavior of nature down to the simplest possible rules. You might want more than that; but then you’re not doing science. He also asks why we should believe that the rules should continue to hold tomorrow, simply because they have held in the past. Again, that’s what science does. Imagining that the same basic laws will continue to hold provides a simpler fit to the data we have than imagining (for no good reason) that they will change. If you are personally unsatisfied with that attitude, that’s fine; but your dissatisfaction is not a scientific matter.

Openness.

This is probably the most important point I have to make, and follows directly on the issue of “laws” just addressed. There is a way of trying to understand the world that might roughly be called “scholastic,” which sits down and tries to reason about how the world should be. The great success of science over the last five hundred years has been made possible by throwing out that kind of thinking in favor of a different model. Namely: we think of every possible way the world could be, and then we go out and look at the world to see which is the simplest description that fits the data. Science insists that we be open to all possibilities, and let the data decide which is true.

Suppose that you are convinced that laws of nature could not exist without a guiding intelligence that formulated them and sustains them. That’s fine for you, but it’s a deeply unscientific attitude. The scientific attitude is: “We observe that there are regularities in nature. We might imagine that they are formulated and sustained by a guiding intelligence, or that they simply exist on their own. Let’s go collect data to determine which idea is a more parsimonious fit to reality.”

The primary sin a scientist can commit is to decide ahead of time that the universe must behave in certain ways. We can certainly have intuitions about what kind of behavior “makes sense” to us as scientists — theorists are guided by their intuition all the time. But the use of that intuition is to help us develop hypotheses, not to decide which hypothesis is correct. Only confrontation with data can do that.

Explanation.

Science has a complicated relationship with “Why?” questions. Sometimes it provides direct answers: Why do all electrons have the same charge? Because they are all excitations of a single underlying quantum field. But sometimes it does not: Why is there a quantum field with the properties of electrons? Well, that’s just the way it is. Which questions have sensible answers is dependent on context, and can even change as we learn new things about the universe. To Kepler, understanding why exactly five planets orbit the Sun was a question of paramount importance. These days we think of the number of planets (eight, according to the International Astronomical Union) as something of an accident.

The point, once again, is that we can’t decide ahead of time what kinds of explanations science is going to provide for us. Science looks for the simplest possible description of the world. It might be that we will eventually understand the inner workings of nature so well that we will be able to answer every conceivable “Why?” question — we will ultimately see that things simply could not have been any other way. But it is also perfectly possible that the best possible description of the world involves some number of brute facts that have no deeper explanation. This is an issue that will ultimately be decided by the conventional progress of science, not by a priori demands that the universe must explain itself to anyone’s individual satisfaction.

Clarity.

The final point I wanted to make involves the clarity of scientific hypotheses. Perhaps “unambiguity” would have been a more precise word, but it is so ugly I couldn’t bring myself to use it.

The point is that a respectable scientific theory should be formulated in terms that are so unambiguously clear that any two people, both of whom understand the theory and have the technical competence to elucidate its consequences, will always come to the same conclusion about what the theory says. This is why the best theories we have are very often cast in the form of mathematics; the rules for manipulating equations are absolutely free of ambiguity. You tell me the initial conditions of some classical mechanical system, as well as the Hamiltonian, and I will come up with the same predictions for its future evolution as absolutely anyone else wit the same information.

Earlier I mentioned that the God hypothesis could actually be simpler than a purely naturalistic theory, if one could use the idea of God to derive the observed laws of nature (or at least some other features of the universe). This isn’t idle speculation, of course; many people have taken this road. The fundamental problem, however, is that the idea of God is utterly unclear and ambiguous, as far as conventional scientific thinking is concerned.

One might object: God is simply the most perfect being conceivable, and what could be more unambiguous than that? (One possible response, not the only one.) That sounds like a clear statement, but it’s not in any sense a clear scientific theory. For that, there would have to be a set of unambiguous rules that let you go from “the most perfect being” to the laws of nature that we see around us. As I argued in my paper, this is very far from what we actually have. It is sometimes argued, for example, that God explains the small value of the vacuum energy (cosmological constant), because without that fine-tuning life would be impossible. But why does God choose this particular value? Actually it could be quite a bit larger and life would still be very possible. Why are there 100 billion galaxies in addition to the one we live in? Why are there three generations of elementary particles, when life is only constructed from the first one? Why was the entropy of the early universe enormously smaller than it needed to be to support life?

Obviously these are perfectly good questions for naturalistic theories as well as for God. The problem is that we can imagine coming up with naturalistic theories that do provide clear answers, while it’s very hard to see how God could ever do that. The problem is simple: God isn’t expressed in the form of equations. There is no clear and unambiguous map from God to a particular set of laws of physics, or a particular configuration of the universe. If there were, we would be using that map to make predictions. What does God have to say about supersymmetry, or the mass of the Higgs boson, or the amplitude of gravitational-wave perturbations of the cosmic microwave background? If we claim that God “explains” the known laws of physics, the same method of explanation should work for the unknown laws. It’s not going to happen.

It’s not clear to me that anyone who believes in God should actually want it to happen. There is a very strong tension between what scientists look for in a theory — clear and unambiguous connections between premises and predictions — and the way that religious believers typically conceive of God, as a conscious being that is irreducibly free to make choices. Does anyone really want to reduce God to a simple set of rules that can be manipulated by anyone to make clear predictions, like we can in theories of modern physics? If not, God will always remain as a theoretical option of last resort — something to be invoked only after we are absolutely convinced that no possible naturalist option can explain the universe we see.

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Obviously these very simple points don’t come anywhere near addressing all the possible issues in this area. In particular, I haven’t made any real attempt to argue that a purely naturalistic explanation actually is a better fit to the observed universe than God or similar ideas. Instead I’ve just tried to explain the mindset of someone like me who does end up coming to that conclusion. In my paper I’ve tried to lay out why invoking God doesn’t seem to provide an especially promising explanation of the world around us. Others may disagree, but I hope this has made things more clear.

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83 thoughts on “Preaching to the Unconverted”

  1. If one considers religion through the lens of evo theory of culture and SBH and EGT, religions make perfect scientific sense.
    And the reason I, as a muslimah, can believe in Al-lah, is that my genome and phenome give me the individual genetic and memetic substrate to do so.

    And again, Al-lah is unknown and unknowable.

    It may be possible to trip up christians with science pretty easily because their concept of god is crude, mechanistic and primitive…unsophisticated. A god that mucks about with cell biology?
    Please.

    @Tyro

    “Francis Galton analyzed the health of the British Royals since the nation prayed for their health and found no evidence of efficacy”

    Yet there is an emergent body of scientific evidence seemingly showing that thought can affect matter in studies of meditation increasing the volumne of grey matter in the brain. Perhaps the efficacy of prayer only works when one prays for the in-house system.
    😉

  2. Rosmary LYNDALL WEMM

    From a neuroscientific point of view, there is nothing that compels a belief that the mind can function or exist when the brain is dead. In fact, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that it cannot.

    Near death experiences have been thoroughly debunked. The oddballs who continue to believe in this kind of thing can only quote anecdotal evidence and studies done in the past that have failed to be repeated. I cannot think of any one of my licensed or academic colleagues who believes that such a phenomena is evidence for an”after-life”.

    We commonly watch minds that die piecemeal as the brain cells die in clumps. Cases of cementia such as Alzheimers, Picks and Korsakov’s syndrome, kill off parts of the mind bit by bit: memory, language, thinking, moral activity and consciousness. There is no evidence that these progressively lost parts of the mind exist in a disembodied state apart from the deteriorating person or that they recombine at some point after the person’s brain ceases to function and the cortical cells begin to break down. There is no evidence that a decerebrate body that is kept alive by machines has deposited its previous mind in the ether somewhere.

    Then there is the problem of how to account for the fact that disorders and surgeries that result in the separation of the right and left brains can be shown to have two separate personalities, one of which believes in the existence of a god and the other of which does not. {There are records of such cases.} Does this individual have two “souls”, one of which will be “saved” in an after life and one of which will not be? If so, would the resulting separated personalities be identical with the previous fully integrated mind of that person?

  3. #73 gr55

    As I tried to explain in an earlier post, the concept of a necessary chain of causation originating with God or whatever may be fallacious. There is no need to have any point of origination just as there is no highest number.

    #77 Rosemary

    This is a rather tired old argument. Mind in the bigger sense of the word, not its localized manifestation in neurology, may exist outside the the body in a sort of participatory field that includes observer and observed. This isn’t the same as some individual personality fragment existing outside the body and surviving death but is a recognition that there is no point where an objective observer can exist – that observer and observed are like poles of a magnet (I mean this in a highly metaphoric sense) where each require the other. Whether we as individuals can tap into this greater field is an interesting question and not quite as closed.

  4. Rosmary @ 77

    The reference I gave above at 20 was actually to do with afterlife investigations in general by Professor David Fontana. Him and his colleagues certainly were not “oddballs” but serious academics. I would advise you to read the book below and follow up the extensive references before making such comments. You will also find some interesting phenomena there, many multi-witnessed.

    http://www.amazon.com/There-Afterlife-Comprehensive-Overview-Evidence/dp/1903816904

    Regarding NDEs I think you should follow up the ref. I gave in 74 very closely and corresponding studies before this work. Also there is a very large study, the international AWARE study, which has collected data and soon will evaluate this.

    The point in many previous studies is veridicality and there are many cases. How does an NDEer get precise information? You should look at these cases but combine this with studying Prof. Fontana’s book and others which investigate very different independent and multiply-witnessed physical phenomena. I also recommend the Cardiff case by Fontana.

    Finally it is important to remember that experimental data (such as early measurements of magnetic fields) precede the theoretical model and certainly this kind of data above needs one.
    I don’t know how information can be stored outside the brain, I think Stuart Hameroff in particular is working on this, but to reject good data just because you are not able to fit it in to the biochemical model of the brain is not scientific.

  5. Although I freely admit to being a ID proponent, I wanted to commend Sean for this well written and (especially) non-confrontational article. I have a some problems with some of his points, but it is very refreshing to read such well reasoned post without any of the usual concomitant vitriol.

    Thanks!

  6. Will some one look at this like a real scientist? This is not about god, it’s about minds. I believe that people as a whole need “magics” religious or otherwise. I this was not true the “end of superstitions” acclaimed by various ages of reason, would have taken root. Maybe what is needed is a new mythos that is not so offensive to your sensibilities. Try reading some Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell – even some James Frazer would help you understand the psychological NEED for religion (excluding the rationalist outliers of course). I for one think that your narrow, uncreative, version of science that is supercilious, dismissive in it’s attitudes to religion and the arts , is a large part of the problem, – you are as literalistic as the worst of the fundamentalist.

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